ambassador. >> eliot: so the question, the theoretical question i don't know chuck hagel i can't peer into his hard and see if he changed or not. but it raises the question, a can people change their views to make you sufficiently comfortable, and how do you deal--i never understood, i thought this was an issue whether you understand or you don't. you don't evolve on this. you get it or you don't. >> well, as usual we completely agree. i think that is the key issue here. you know, when people change, i think when people change and they say look, my views have changed over time, i think everybody is entitled to their journey on this. some people were earlier to it, like yourself. a leader on gay rights issues since before you were governor.